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by Endolf » Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:12 pm

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Looking around at a cheap upgrade from the honey bee V2, the titan appears to be a t-rex 450 clone, but it's very cheap. I know it's not going to be top quality, but as a first CP, I'm only going to stuff it in to the ground anyway, so I will gradually upgrade to align parts as I break them :). RTF for ~£120 with a tx seems like a good way in to CP after the bee?.

Has anyone here tried one?, got any hints from other forums just how bad these are?, youtube seems to have some hits of people that seem to be having fun with them.

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by Demon » Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:50 pm

That is far too expensive for what looks like a plastic Clone helicopter - you can get a 450 airframe for about $30 USD nowadays which has an alloy head / tail! Combine that with a set of HXT900's on cyclic and a cheap digital tail servo, GA250 and a Turnigy 9X you can have a much...MUCH better setup for more or less the same money!

I would personally suggest if you have some flight experiance, get a kit and build it yourself - you learn alot more and will probably get a better deal.


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by paulsouthport » Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:05 pm

I'm with Demon.

It looks like a clone of a clone. A clone of the old HK450 metal framed jobby, with poor electronics.
As per Demon, with alternative options of MG90 servos for cyclic, Platinum 40A ESC - miles better.
The HK450 Pro TT is much improved, or CopterX 450 Pro V3. Neither are perfect but both are streets ahead of the plastic heli.

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by Endolf » Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:17 am

Hi
They do a version with a metal head/tail too. The advantage I can see is that it includes the TX, charger, 1 lipo too. All the others require lipo + £50 quid of charger + £120 quid of dx6i&rx, all on top of the kit + servos + gyro. Whilst I would love to blow £300 on a tarot combo bundle + dx6i, I just don't have the cash, where as the titan is all in for £130 delivered to the UK (I know I'll need to get spares, and that's the case which ever of 450 clone I get). Ok, the charger is not the best, the servers are not very good, nor is the tx or much else, it does seem as though it would get me in the air and I could gradually upgrade parts as I break things :)

Obviously that's based on the idea that this machine will fly and will do as an introduction to CP, I've not read anything to suggest that it is rubbish, I'm guessing it's as good quality as the honeybee V2, which isn't ideal, but has got me airborne and I do enjoy flying it.

Unless of course I've missed the cheap deal for one of the better clones or a great deal of a tx/rx? I'm certainly not set on the Titan, it just looked like a low cost entry point.

More advice greatly appreciated.

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by Biffa » Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:16 am

A low cost entry into CP helicopters will more than likely prove not to be a low cost entry and leave you in a worse position than you are now.

Maybe the mechanics will will be fine, but you will need to (if not straight away) change out all the other parts as you have said even before you have it, they are no good. Your time and money would be better spent on another clone and putting in selective electronics and this doesn't have to prove expensive at all.

Or of course you could use the money to buy an mCPX and spend the change on beer :lol:
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by randalsh » Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:30 am

I have flown a friends metal Mini Titan 4 years ago and it is a very nice heli IMHO. It's based on Trex (aren't they all?) but it's not a true clone.
Better than a Blade 400 which is the nearest I can think of, but not by much.

But parts are not all interchangeable with Trex as far as I know, and not so widely available as Align or EFlite - which was the only reason I didn't buy one at the time.
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by Endolf » Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:31 am

Hi

I'd like an mcpx, but to get it RTF is quite a lot more than the titan. I don't have a 6 channel TX, so I'm factoring that in to the cost to get airborne, same with a charger (I have the esky charger from the bee, but that probably doesn't count :)).

I would love to see the the inexpensive options you suggest, I admit that I'm not hugely familiar with the list of options for building my own, I looked at a tarot combo, which is £120 and out of stock, then I'd need a charger, plus lipo, plus tx/rx. I'd be happy to see where I can get that lot for under £200 :)

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by Endolf » Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:34 am

randalsh wrote:But parts are not all interchangeable with Trex as far as I know, and not so widely available as Align or EFlite - which was the only reason I didn't buy one at the time.


Thanks, I don't know how the mini titan and the titan 450 are related. The information I've read suggests that the titan 450 is 100% align compatible, but you are making me suspicious now, I'd hate to find out after I've waited 11-23 days for delivery from hong kong that after my first ground related incident I can't fix the thing with UK sourced parts.

More research needed I suspect :)

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by Biffa » Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:34 am

I assume you mean this http://www.titan450rc.com/collections/all[/url] and not the TT Mini Titan?
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by Endolf » Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:36 am

Yup, that looks like the range Biffa.

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by randalsh » Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:47 am

Sorry - I was thinking Mini Titan. I should have looked more closely but I had not seen the 450.

In which case ignore everything I said!

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by Biffa » Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:59 am

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Just quickly ran through this on HK, with shipping comes in at $234.27 or £149.282 (online currency converter). So as you can see it can be done, granted not the best gear but certainly better than what you're thinking of getting. Of course doing it this way means you can chop and change as you wish.

I will guarantee if you buy one of those Titan 450 packages you will be on here complaining quicker than you can erm, do something fairly quick and wishing you had listened to the good advice offered :wink:
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by paulsouthport » Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:02 am

A good basic selection there. You could swap the gyro for a GA-250, cheap and proven to work, and you'll need a tail servo, HKS9257 works OK with the GA250

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by Demon » Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:03 am

Endolf, go look at the Hobbyking website and you will see how much you can get the bits and peices for!

The TX sold with the Titan 450 cost about $25 and i doubt the rest of the electronics will come to much more than about $40 on top of that... I will guarantee if you bought the parts individually, for the same money you will get a complete helicopter which will perform much better - And actually be of a decent quality!

Look at the my DS450 specs in my sig and price that up... it actually doesnt cost much more than your Titan 450 and i have been flying it happily for almost 4 years! (And prices have dropped allot since then)

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by Endolf » Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:03 am

Coo, thank you, I hadn't seen the turnigy tx before, or those prices. I may have an explore and see what I can find that is in stock :)

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by gubber12345 » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:32 pm

built my 500 on the cheap as well.
apart from the gyro and tail servo i had it for around £150.have a good look mate there are some cheap but decent stuf out there.
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by Endolf » Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:12 pm

Hi, ok, going to try and spec something up from there :). Shame the TX is out of stock, I guess I could order most of the bits and wait for the TX :).

I notice they have a range of 450 models, some are TT, some belt, but I can't tell the difference from the spec sheet on the rest, they list the 450 V2, 450GT, 450MT and the 450TT, I can see that that TT is torque tube, the others I can't tell apart from the product description, can anyone shed any light on this?, other than a small price difference :).

Looking at electrics, is it worth sticking with one brand for gyro + servos (I believe it's not necessary, but is it helpful). If I get a turnigy gyro, is it worth getting turnigy servos to match, or should it make no difference.

I'll take a read through of the t-rex 450 forum and see what other bits I can glean about why different people like the servos/gyro they pick.

Thanks for the info

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by Endolf » Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:32 am

I've changed some parts over for things that are available, but I'm tempted with the following :)
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by paulsouthport » Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:39 am

Looks like a reasonable choice there.
Nano or not? I find the normal turnigy and zippys are fine.
You may want to do the tx as a separate order, back order items hold the entire order back, plus a few smaller boxes are less tempting to customs than 1 big one

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by Endolf » Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:43 am

Hi

Thanks, I was tempted to do that too, gives me some time to do the rest of the build also, plus read, read, and read some more :).

I wasn't sure about which tail servo to go for, there seems to be no common answer to 'good cheap tail servo' :).

I was also unsure about the gyro, the original one that was suggested didn't have brilliant reviews on the site, the mems technology was suggested, I don't know what it is (I'm not planning on pressing buy just yet, so have time to check). I'm guessing it's not as good as the other one as it's considerably cheaper, but the reviewers all seem to be happy with it.

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by paulsouthport » Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:49 am

The GA250 is a great little gyro for the money. For general sport flying, including some aggressive stuff and strong winds, it does the job well. It's better than a few more expensive ones out there and there is a long thread on here all about it, how to set up, servos to use etc.
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by CW » Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:54 am

Endolf wrote:I was also unsure about the gyro, the original one that was suggested didn't have brilliant reviews on the site, the mems technology was suggested, I don't know what it is (I'm not planning on pressing buy just yet, so have time to check). I'm guessing it's not as good as the other one as it's considerably cheaper, but the reviewers all seem to be happy with it.

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by randalsh » Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:27 pm

+1 to the 520 on the tail. It locks in like bloodhound and is as tough as pit bull.

I haven't used the GA250 gyro but it gets great reviews. Unbelievable price for a good gyro.

Gyro-wise I'm a Spartan Quark fan. If I was flush I would put one on my other two helis as well as my beloved Pro.
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by Endolf » Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:04 pm

That GA250 is a hobby king rather than the assan one, HK don't seem to have the assan one.

I did look for the align DS520, but HK don't seem to stock it, and HG is out of stock. I could hunt around, or just stick with something that works for now. I can't use any of it till I can find a cheap TX/RX though :)

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by yoshimoto » Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:13 pm

As i understand the HK GA250 is the Assan unit just re-badged..they do this a lot,you will note that often orders are filled with the re-badged items much to customers dis-pleasure..but its a decal at the end of the day.
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